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Dawn Patrol - Combat Mission: Red Thunder

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USSR 11 - 1 - 3 Axis
Rating: 6.53 (15)
Games Played: 15
SM: 3
Turns: 50
Type: Stock
First Side: USSR
Second Side: Axis
Small Probe Scenario, Company size.
Germany Defender / USSR Attacker.
Player Voting Stats
Member Balance Enjoyment
HoseJock's ProfileHoseJock Moderately Pro USSR 6
Fusilier9's ProfileFusilier9 Well Balanced 7
gruntsmart's Profilegruntsmart Moderately Pro USSR 8
Fusilier9's ProfileFusilier9 Moderately Pro Axis 8
raz_atoth's Profileraz_atoth Well Balanced 6
Gaming Records
1st Side Player 2nd Side Player Result Score
USSR Scipio's Profile Scipio vs. General Panic General Panic's Profile Axis USSR Tactical Victory 27 9
Axis Scipio's Profile Scipio vs. General Panic General Panic's Profile USSR Draw 18 18
USSR Mad Mike's Profile Mad Mike vs. Kil Roy Kil Roy's Profile Axis USSR Total Victory 33 3
USSR Stonecutter's Profile Stonecutter vs. ChappyCanuck ChappyCanuck's Profile Axis USSR Total Victory 33 3
Axis Kandu's Profile Kandu vs. Smike2685 Smike2685's Profile USSR Axis Total Defeat 3 33
gruntsmart
Private 1st Class
gruntsmart Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:14 am
Nice idea for a scenario but I think it's favored to the soviets
BrosifBallin
Technical Sergeant
BrosifBallin Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:28 pm
Very good scenario for learning how to advance infantry over an open field under MG fire. Tense and unforgiving.
weta_nz
Private 1st Class
weta_nz Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:40 am
Yes, I played this as the Russians in a PBEM game and I agree that it favors the Russians.



*** spoiler***

If you take a careful approach forward as I did and are lucky enough to spot and destroy the German AT gun before losing any of the SU-76 tanks then you have a lot of extra HE to pound the defenders with.
Stonecutter
Major
Stonecutter Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:21 pm
This could be a good, little battle for practicing attacking a strong defensive position. However, there are three major problems that unbalance the battle:

1) VPs - both sides get up to 1500 for holding ground but the Russians can get up to another 800 for parameters. Obviously, this is completely unbalanced.

2) Terrain & Set Up - the small battlefield and open terrain make this a little boring and any defenders can be picked off at short range once they are spotted even when in trenches. This lack of cover is a big advantage for the attacker. Also, most of the mines are fixed but should be open to the defender to place where they like.

3) Balance of Forces - The infantry forces are OK for balance at roughly 3:1 (i.e. a company of Russians vs a platoon+ of German defenders). However, the Russians have 3 x SU-76s vs a single 50mm ATG for the Germans. Due to the open terrain, the ATG is quickly spotted and easily knocked out by mortar fire, leaving the SU-76s free to slowly wipe out each easily spotted trench/foxhole. The Russians also have 2 x 81mm mortar missions for a mere company level attack so they can essentially pound the German positions with harassing fire the entire battle.
ChappyCanuck
Master Sergeant
ChappyCanuck Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:32 pm
I played this battle as the Germans vs Stonecutter, my usual opponent. I echo his comments about this battle. I had but a lone 50mm ATG to face the three Soviet AFVs, but Stonecutter's cautious approach prevented any AFV casualties. Since there is no cover in this battle, he was able to easily spot my ATG with his infantry, and then the mortar bombs rained down upon it incessantly until the gun crew was decimated. At that point it was Soviet clean up time and my Germans had zero chance of getting any location points, let alone win the battle.

To improve this battle I would give the Germans a second ATG, allow all of the mines to be "freely" placed, and eliminate the extra 800 points that the Russians can receive. That should do it.
Mad Mike
Brigadier General
Mad Mike Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:41 pm
I don't think there is much the German player can do here to win. Numbers and time are overwhelmingly with the Russians.
Scipio
Warrant Officer
Scipio Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:31 pm
Weird, felt like World War One trench war.
Scipio
Warrant Officer
Scipio Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:32 pm
Weird, felt like World War One trench war.
General Panic
Corporal
General Panic Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:35 pm
Nice little scenario with a WW1 feel to it. Need to really follow the the contours of the battlefield to get close to the enemy.
Rich, aka GeneralPanic