Why can't take these arty units ?

[NicolasBourbaki]

Hi, 

I've been trying to destroy these 2 Prussian arty units but without success. I've launch many melee, fired many times and nothing will work ! All my units end up routed, including large bataillons of 500+ men ! All this for 8 + 4 poor guns without any Prussian infantry unit defending the hex. Just the guns. 

This is from "Rep. Bayonets on the Rhine" game. 

Any idea/explanation ?   

Thanks

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[wildb]

Is the optional rule Movement Threat Disorder checked?

The artillery units are at B level whereas the attacking units are at C or D level.

Those are my initial impressions.

[agmoss99]

Also attacking head on with column pass through fire on, can cause huge losses. And disordered troops melee at half strength.

[NicolasBourbaki]

Is the optional rule Movement Threat Disorder checked?

Yes.

But 500+ men should be able to take a few guns ...
I sacrifised at least 5 or 6 units, most of them of 400+ men ...

Also, by looking at the 3D map (i'm normally not using the 3D map) I notice that the arty units are in a fort !!! This may explain too of course. Somehow ...

These Prussian arty guys definitely need a decoration !

[jim pfleck]

The PDT file says
Artillery Combat Values
Melee: 40 men

so those guns have a melee value of 14 x 40=560 men. You need to hit it in the flank or rear with a leader.

[NicolasBourbaki]

Thanks, this would explain !!
... and yes, it worked !

The PDT file says

What is the PDT file ?

[phoenix]

Thanks, this would explain !!
... and yes, it worked !

The PDT file says

What is the PDT file ?

The PDT file can be accessed from the dropdown menus in game - it gives all the values that apply in the scenario.

Plus, with a little use of mods you can play with much nicer, clearer graphics, Nicolas. Then it would be easier to see the fortifications. I am also presently playing Pirmasens as French, PBEM, and currently being massacred in front of those guns.....

My graphics look like this;



Easier to see the forts, no?

The graphics are based on Aoi99's really excellent map mod - https://www.theblitz.club/message_boards...?tid=74499

[NicolasBourbaki]

Oh ! It's "Parameter Data dialogue" ? I never bothered to look at it yet ... Looks definitely interesting.

And yes, your 2D map is much much better than mine. Will install the mod ASAP.

Many thanks.