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New Kharkov '43 Campaign
10-16-2020, 12:51 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-16-2020, 12:53 AM by Indragnir.)
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RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign
John,

As I said above having AAR as default in a scenario with quite some BUNKERS and neither side with a big big advantage in numbers, you need Demolition units and better HA for the infantry for assaults and direct fire even as per campaign year.

Quote:Green: If I understand you correctly you are saying that you are not using AAR in this campaign primarily as it would under-value the AT ability of infantry units.
   
Not only but that's another point. A point based upon what happened.

Quote:Green: If so, what is different in this title versus any other? It seems you are saying that the McNamara Database is mostly correct but then choose not using AAR to achieve more realistic results.

It happens I'm trying to avoid AAR in any mod in which there is no defense line thinnly manned that must held for a time, like some of my earlier mods needed. Also my views are evolving after reading a lot on after action reports and specific books on the matter across the whole war, in that regard Infantry was consistently destroying far more tanks than HA 1/0 is doing with AAR. You will see Budapest notes soon, PzGrenadiers from 8th PzD destroyed 58 tanks and SU from 6th GTA in just 2 days [that time is no propaganda, Soviet sources confirmed the losses], that was the infantry not division tanks. Hungarian paras did almost the same. It's not only on the Axis side, Soviet were capable of causing damage also.

Quote:Green: As I understand it, you use AAR in you other mods (correct me if I have this wrong) including Normandy which has the Omaha problem. So what is so different about Kharkov '43?

See above. Normandy has more than 10 years, I've learnt a lot from those days. New Normandy likely will have AAR but Demolition engineers and higher HA for infantry.

Quote:Green: So once again, either the Database underestimates the AT ability of units and needs changing or not using AAR overstates this ability. I do not care which but surely it has to be one or the other.

Regarding that point IMO it understimates AT ability of infantry as it understimates some other weapons not related to AT.

Just my 2 cents.

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New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Strela - 08-03-2020, 02:56 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by ComradeP - 08-03-2020, 04:54 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-03-2020, 05:10 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Strela - 08-03-2020, 04:55 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-05-2020, 08:28 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Strela - 08-05-2020, 06:42 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Mr Grumpy - 08-06-2020, 04:13 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-08-2020, 07:00 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-08-2020, 07:17 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-08-2020, 07:27 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by ComradeP - 08-08-2020, 11:01 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-08-2020, 11:34 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Strela - 08-09-2020, 07:19 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by ComradeP - 08-08-2020, 04:38 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-09-2020, 07:28 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Strela - 08-10-2020, 07:55 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-10-2020, 08:06 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-17-2020, 02:28 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-17-2020, 04:00 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 08-24-2020, 04:40 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 08-24-2020, 06:28 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Green - 10-13-2020, 10:27 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by BigDuke66 - 10-13-2020, 12:33 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 10-13-2020, 09:09 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Green - 10-14-2020, 10:43 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 10-16-2020, 12:51 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Bioman - 10-16-2020, 09:31 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 10-16-2020, 06:44 PM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Green - 10-17-2020, 10:02 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Indragnir - 10-20-2020, 12:22 AM
RE: New Kharkov '43 Campaign - by Green - 10-20-2020, 07:46 AM

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