Black Sea Discussions

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That's really weird a
Interesting
Thanks for the heads up

I really appreciate the tank/AT data Spike.
Ill be using that as my reference now :)

Biggest issue I had was AT missiles launching and veering off Target.
I thought it was jamming but it appears to be a bug, hence why in most of my games my missiles went veering off randomly and with my Armour taken out by Javs i was being pummeled by US armored forces.
As its a big bad bug and fixed in the new patch the game should be more playable.

As I established/discussed on the main CM forums, Javs are a normal armament of US forces, they have an abundance of them. So its fair and reasonable for the US to have lots of em.
After discussions I've come to the following thoughts.

So it comes down to trying new tactics as the Russians.
Javs are not going away lol
You need to play a slightly different game against the US.
Some prices are dropping so take more cheaper units if you can.
use more troops and aggressively scout.
Take more AT units that are not tanks or vehicles.
ie AT Launchers as shown in Spikes list and try using them more.
I will be after the new patch as I stopped using them as they were not working and veering off prior.
Use artillery to hit javs or suspect jav sites and keep them clear from areas.
Snipers may help but you need to get them in close - <400 yards for effectiveness.
Fast movement and smoke are your friend, use BMPs to fast move up with units. getting in close is beneficial to the Russians.
yes it can be hard but hopefully will work out better
With Russian tanks fixed , Armour wise and there ballistics/rounds fixed in the patch tanks are more usable but don't rush them out in open and expect them to just sit and take it like an Abrams.
Treat them like gold.
They die faster then in CMBN and CMRT lol

Air power is an option but in 3 games I've used air power all my planes were shot down by 2-3 stingers and I've never hit a target - only edge of map.
It seems to easy to take them out and id recommend using artillery instead.
2300? i think it is a lot of points to be taken out by 140 points in stingers - why bother taking planes?
Some people are saying anti air doesn't work.
Well I disagree from experience. Irrespective 2000+ for a couple of big bombs randomly somewhere if they don't get shot down is it worth it?
Its your call

I recommend trying different things anyway if the games not working the way you want after the patch :)
And take turns with opponents playing US or Russian so you both play evenly and its fair for ladder games results if that's your thing.
or try Russian / Urkaine on occasion for variation
I've heard its a lot of fun playing the last two and its what this was originally all about.
Cheers