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Opponent for Waterloo 007
06-30-2012, 04:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-30-2012, 04:28 PM by jonnymacbrown.)
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RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007
"There is also an editor. Let me know when either of you post an "accurate" historical scenario. Time to put up or shut up, gentlemen. Making scenarios isn't as easy as it looks. Of course some folk just complain, and don't contribute to the solution of percieved "problems."

British and French deployments, as well as Prussian arrival routes are not based upon any known historical sources. It’s not like this information is hard to come by: Adkin's The Waterloo Companion is the best source for French (and other) deployments at Waterloo among others. Unfortunately HPS did not use John Tiller’s accurate historical scenario that he created for BGW; hence all historical scenarios in HPS Waterloo are primarily fantasy. There is no doubt that Prince Jerome’s 6th Division launched the French attack at 1130 with an infantry assault and bombardment. A quick glance at the HPS historical scenario shows that 6th Division on the left is not anywhere near in position to attack anything, ensconced in a wood and more than 1000 yards away from the enemy!

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In this historical set up, you are forced to attack the Hugomont orchid with Bachelu’s 5th Division (highlighted), because the 9th and 6th Divisions are too far left and to the rear to do anything. In historical fact it was the 6th and 9th that led the initial II Corps assault with the 5th Division held in reserve. VI Corps (marked by the cursor) is also too far to the rear and to the left; they were actually centrally located.

Prussian route of march is also madly askew; the first arrivals should be through Lasne, and not so far south. In this “historical” scenario everyone but the I Korps infantry and cavalry come on through Couture or south of there. This is clearly wrong as most arrivals marched through Lasne. The Prussians would and did take the more northern route through Lasne to avoid any possible interference from Grouchy. It’s all a made up fantasy, from a scenario designer noted for fantasy scenarios; and it creates insurmountable problems for any wargamer wishing to recreate a Napoleonic battle. In this ‘historical’ set up you are forced to begin moving everything at once, just to get into position to attack. In Napoleon’s actual deployments every unit in the French Army was in position to attack, or quickly assist the attack, without doing any addition movement. This is the essence of Napoleonic deployments and the game designer here doesn’t understand this. Haven't even touched upon the the insane allied deployments. Jonny JesterTEEHEEROTFLMAORolling Eyes:whis:
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Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Vincent - 05-01-2012, 06:38 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by agmoss99 - 05-01-2012, 09:22 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Vincent - 05-03-2012, 02:15 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Chosenman - 05-05-2012, 03:16 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Tim Cavallin - 06-27-2012, 02:58 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by tbridges - 06-28-2012, 01:39 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by jonnymacbrown - 06-29-2012, 07:52 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Havoc - 06-29-2012, 08:13 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by jonnymacbrown - 06-29-2012, 08:29 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by jonnymacbrown - 06-29-2012, 01:25 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Vincent - 06-29-2012, 02:35 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by jonnymacbrown - 06-29-2012, 02:56 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Al Amos - 06-29-2012, 04:46 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by agmoss99 - 06-29-2012, 05:43 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Vincent - 06-30-2012, 03:40 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by jonnymacbrown - 06-30-2012, 03:59 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by jonnymacbrown - 06-30-2012, 04:26 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Compass Rose - 06-30-2012, 03:08 AM
Ask and ye shall receive - by FM WarB - 06-30-2012, 10:23 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Compass Rose - 06-30-2012, 10:53 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by FM WarB - 06-30-2012, 11:05 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Al Amos - 07-01-2012, 06:58 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by jonnymacbrown - 07-02-2012, 07:33 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Al Amos - 07-02-2012, 08:58 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by jonnymacbrown - 07-02-2012, 12:51 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Al Amos - 07-03-2012, 08:32 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Compass Rose - 07-03-2012, 08:48 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Al Amos - 07-03-2012, 08:53 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Philippe - 07-04-2012, 08:38 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by FM WarB - 07-04-2012, 09:39 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Philippe - 07-04-2012, 11:54 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by FM WarB - 07-05-2012, 12:55 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Philippe - 07-05-2012, 03:32 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by FM WarB - 07-05-2012, 04:44 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Al Amos - 07-05-2012, 01:00 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Al Amos - 07-05-2012, 08:17 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by FM WarB - 07-05-2012, 11:54 PM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by Al Amos - 07-06-2012, 09:22 AM
RE: Opponent for Waterloo 007 - by FM WarB - 07-06-2012, 01:17 PM

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