PzC Kharkov '43 Just Released

[Volcano Man]

Ok Marquo, I will bite. We all know you spent many, many hours working on your mod. We all have benefitted from your time and effort. What gets my goat is when you think 30 unique scenarios and campaigns is only good enough for a DLC. That was where the work was. There was over 12 months of pulling that all together and testing it. The OB as you rightly pointed out was Rick's work - but that was just a starting point. Essentally decisions were made around every formation. Every component was changed and validated against multiple sources before being included. To compliment Rick's research the Axis OB was very accurate in layout etc. The Soviets less so. The team I worked with spent a huge amount of time getting a lot of data together and building out the OB. We even went as far as including formations for future scenarios if we get the time.
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And since my work was brought into this, although I don't feel it is really anyone else's business, David/Strela and I discussued the use of my oob multiple times, first when he wanted to use it as a basis for his own mod to the game, then when the mod became a future PzC game. We worked things out to where I am not concerned that any of my work on the OOB was used in this project, and what was used was with my full knowledge and support. David was very open in discussing what to me was a potentially touchy issue and kind in both giving credit for what I did and in working things out.

So any use of my material should be left out of this specific discussion, as it really is nobody else's business except mine, David's and John's.

Now Marquo, you did a lot of work on that scenario covering the 4th Battle of Kharkov and its final fall, but had to pack the Soviets in unrealistically to get them on and I think as result never really finalzied that one but it has a lot of possibilities. With the new room to the north of Kharkov it might be doable now, you want to work on it with me? :) Not sure I have time right now but it would be a fun mod to do.

Rick

IMO Kharkov '43 is every bit a new game, especially considering all the effort from across the board that went into it. That said, I can understand the sentiment, but this is the trouble with making mods. Occasionally a mod is made that touches an area of a future planned game.

However... I don't understand the rationale behind the idea that a game must have a new map for it to be considered a truly "new" and legitimate game and not a DLC. This has been mentioned several times already in this thread. I guess that same rationale means that Tobruk/El Alamein or all the MCs in Germany should have been DLC or that if I create a France '15, '16, '17, '18 then those too will not be considered true games in their own right. :conf:

The great thing about Kh43 is that it consolidates the map, which in itself took work, it adds a plethora of unique scenarios, it allows more user created scenarios to be made, AND there are future official expansion packs planned for the game in the works! It seems pretty solid as a new game to me. ;)