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UKRAINE STORM CMBS TOURNAMENT!
06-02-2015, 01:30 AM,
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RE: Black Sea Discussions
(06-01-2015, 01:48 PM)Hunter2 Wrote: Btw....playing on Basic Training, didn't really seem to change the spotting much. Just because the icons can be seen didn't mean everyone could shoot at spotted targets.

The difference is that your units don't need to find targets on their own - since they already know. I have no idea how your T80 vs T90s fire fight actually played out but I can use a hypothetical version of it to point out how the borg spotting can shift things off balance. Like I said I cannot comment your actual engagement but lets take the extreme end of possibilities:

Your T80 cannot see any T90s itself but infantry nearby have spotted the T90s so now the T80 has spotted them too. While it is correct that from behind the house the T80 cannot shoot at the T90s, as soon as the T80 moves and breaks cover the crew can open fire with no delay because the have all the T90s spotted. Lets also say, just for the example, that the T90 had spotted some infantry but not the T80 and none of the T90s friendlies have spotted it either. So the situation is that the T80 knows exactly where every T90 is and the T90 hasn't got a clue about the T80.

The T80 breaks cover and gets LOF on a T90 - bang dead (since this is knife fighting distance). The second and third T90 crews know something is up. T80 reloads, second T90 - bang dead. By now the third T90 has an idea of where the T80 is. Seconds tick by and the T90 crew spots the T80. To bad though because the T80 already knew exactly where the T90 was and all it needed to do was reload and bang dead T90.

I wish to point out again that I am not trying to recount your exact engagement only a hypothetical to show that Borg Spotting does make a difference. Now consider this same situation without Borg spotting (with differences highlighted):

Your T80 cannot see any T90s itself but infantry nearby have spotted the T90s so now the T80 has an idea there are enemy tanks near by but not a precise number or location. The T80 from behind the house cannot shoot at the T90s so it has to break cover to find them. The T80 moves and breaks cover the crew can start looking for the T90s. Lets also say, just for the example, that the T90 had spotted some infantry but not the T80 and none of the T90s friendlies have spotted it either. So the situation is that the T80 has an idea there are enemy tanks but is not sure exactly where or how many and the T90 hasn't got a clue about the T80.

The T80 breaks cover and gets LOF on a T90, the crew spot the T90 pretty fast because they had an idea it was there - bang dead (since this is knife fighting distance). The second and third T90 crews now know something is up. T80 reloads and huts for another T90. Eventually they see it. Meanwhile the T90 crews are also looking for the T80 they now know is there. At this point it is two crews to one racing to see who spots whom first but the T90s have rounds in the barrel and the T80 crew is still waiting on the reload. With this game there are many possible out comes at this point - including two more dead T90s but the chances of that are pretty low a much more likely out come is this; the second T90 crew spots the T80 then a second later the T80 crew spots another T90 then seconds after that the third T90 crew spots the T80. All hell breaks loose as the two T90s fire on and destroy the T80.
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UKRAINE STORM CMBS TOURNAMENT! - by PoorOldSpike - 05-24-2015, 08:19 AM
RE: UKRAINE STORM CMBS TOURNAMENT! - by eniced73 - 06-09-2015, 07:24 AM
RE: UKRAINE STORM CMBS TOURNAMENT! - by raz_atoth - 06-12-2015, 04:15 AM
RE: UKRAINE STORM CMBS TOURNAMENT! - by raz_atoth - 06-23-2015, 07:17 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 05-26-2015, 09:55 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 05-26-2015, 11:20 AM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by eniced73 - 05-26-2015, 01:48 PM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 05-26-2015, 02:25 PM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by GAZNZ - 05-26-2015, 04:06 PM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by A Canadian Cat - 05-27-2015, 12:53 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 05-27-2015, 02:34 AM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by A Canadian Cat - 05-27-2015, 04:44 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 05-27-2015, 08:12 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 05-28-2015, 03:26 PM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-01-2015, 09:36 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-01-2015, 09:50 AM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by Hunter2 - 06-01-2015, 01:37 PM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by Hunter2 - 06-01-2015, 01:48 PM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by A Canadian Cat - 06-02-2015, 12:57 AM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by A Canadian Cat - 06-02-2015, 01:30 AM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by A Canadian Cat - 06-02-2015, 01:33 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-02-2015, 10:03 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-02-2015, 11:04 AM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by A Canadian Cat - 06-03-2015, 01:29 AM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by Hunter2 - 06-03-2015, 02:53 AM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by A Canadian Cat - 06-03-2015, 03:25 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-03-2015, 02:39 PM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by A Canadian Cat - 06-04-2015, 02:04 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-04-2015, 10:33 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-04-2015, 05:06 PM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-05-2015, 04:11 PM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-05-2015, 08:09 PM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by GAZNZ - 06-06-2015, 05:01 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-06-2015, 08:00 PM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-08-2015, 06:47 AM
RE: Black Sea Discussions - by eniced73 - 06-08-2015, 11:48 AM
Ukraine Storm CMBS Tourney - by PoorOldSpike - 06-08-2015, 09:53 PM

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