1914 Valour - FWWC Tournament Round 4

[Almskaar]

Interestingly, accepting a resignation as the attacker is never worth it if you can take more points given the format of the tournament. As evidenced by the resigning Russians retaining the highest points of all the Allied players.

I do have a concern about the impact resignations will have on the Tournament Points awarded. In theory you could have an entrant resign but still get more points than the winner. An entrant on the winning side could be missing out on bonus points, and as we have seen in Tournament No 2 the difference between first and second place was 2 points!

The tournament rules state that the Total Points are used whether the game is completed or partially completed (I thought of the situation where the game is incomplete at the round deadline but not of someone resigning). One possible resolution is that if someone resigns, the winner gets the bonus points plus the tournament points based on the Total Points. 

This concern is part of the general issue when administering tournaments: balancing competition with making a venue for entrants to meet and have fun. 

Comments?

Perhaps in future tournaments players could be awarded points when they complete a game, and the amount need not be trivial.

[SvenDuuva]

I do apologize for contributing to this confusion. I didn't expect that conceding a game three turns before the end would be such an issue, namely because there had already been a similar resignation on this round. Also, in the Western Allies tournament, my opponent had just conceded the game midway-through, although in that case we decided to report the result as it was when the game was conceded and not as a major victory.

If we had more time until the deadline and our game as the only one with the resignation issue, I would offer to finish it for the sake of consistency. But isn't the obvious compromise just to award the winner of a resigned game the full points and bonus points, and the resigned side 0 points?

I am also perfectly willing to accept a points deduction as a penalty for resigning (for example, -10 to -20 points), although the other resigned player might not be of a similar mind. But as I said earlier, I think it would be unjust to award my opponent anything else than the full 105 points for accepting my resignation.

If this is an issue in the future, we could just have an additional rule that the game cannot be conceded and should always be finished. My only worry with this (or having a penalty for resigning as a policy) would be that it would probably just cause the game to be left unfinished when the clock runs out.

Awarding additional points for finishing games is worthwhile idea, but I think that might unjustly penalize players that are less at fault if some match is not finished before deadline.

[ComradeP]

Interestingly, accepting a resignation as the attacker is never worth it if you can take more points given the format of the tournament. As evidenced by the resigning Russians retaining the highest points of all the Allied players.

I do have a concern about the impact resignations will have on the Tournament Points awarded. In theory you could have an entrant resign but still get more points than the winner. An entrant on the winning side could be missing out on bonus points, and as we have seen in Tournament No 2 the difference between first and second place was 2 points!

The tournament rules state that the Total Points are used whether the game is completed or partially completed (I thought of the situation where the game is incomplete at the round deadline but not of someone resigning). One possible resolution is that if someone resigns, the winner gets the bonus points plus the tournament points based on the Total Points. 

This concern is part of the general issue when administering tournaments: balancing competition with making a venue for entrants to meet and have fun. 

Comments?

If the victory level is a major defeat or is very likely to end up at that point, awarding bonus points if the opponent resigns seems fair to me. 

The previous tournament had a close finish, but over 6 rounds. It wasn't the bonus points that made the difference. There were no rounds where akilpio scored 100 points and I received bonus points, or the other way around.

[Fhil]

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Fhil vs. Partizanka game completed.
Cetral Power Major Victory - 2 831 pts.

[Steel God]

I guess it pays to read rules (and manuals) but honestly I have never once looked at the "scoring rules" for any of these tournaments and tried to determine how I may be eligible for "bonus points".  I had no idea that someone resigning and giving their opponent a Major would somehow be slighting their score.  I guess I slighted myself in this round because once I had a Major on Turn9 or so I stopped pushing real hard, it seemed cruel to beat up on an opponent who had already lost the game by a Major.  I'm retired and don't want to work hard, I see the scoring rules in all of the Tournaments and I'm just like ..."I'll do the best I can and see where I end up".  I couldn't tell you the math behind it (I'm sure I could if I wanted to slow down, read it, and process it) because honestly that's time away from playing.  I play a turn, send it back to my opponent, engage in some conversation, and it's on the the next one in the in box, lather, rinse, repeat.  Nothing worse in my happy little world than going to the in box and not having something to work on.  

So, do whatever makes sense on the rules, it's all good.  In the words of the Bard "The Play's the Thing'"

[ComradeP]

You receive the maximum amount of bonus points if your score in victory points is or exceeds the major victory level+the points difference between major victory and minor victory. In this case a score of 1850, so your score is well above that Steel God.

[Dawe61]

I guess it pays to read rules (and manuals) but honestly I have never once looked at the "scoring rules" for any of these tournaments and tried to determine how I may be eligible for "bonus points".  I had no idea that someone resigning and giving their opponent a Major would somehow be slighting their score.  I guess I slighted myself in this round because once I had a Major on Turn9 or so I stopped pushing real hard, it seemed cruel to beat up on an opponent who had already lost the game by a Major.  I'm retired and don't want to work hard, I see the scoring rules in all of the Tournaments and I'm just like ..."I'll do the best I can and see where I end up".  I couldn't tell you the math behind it (I'm sure I could if I wanted to slow down, read it, and process it) because honestly that's time away from playing.  I play a turn, send it back to my opponent, engage in some conversation, and it's on the the next one in the in box, lather, rinse, repeat.  Nothing worse in my happy little world than going to the in box and not having something to work on.  

So, do whatever makes sense on the rules, it's all good.  In the words of the Bard "The Play's the Thing'"

Well said, Sir!  You are a true mensch and a like spirit.  Keep playing (and being a real human being). 

[ComradeP]

A reminder as the round ends tomorrow: updates for FWWC were released last week. Don't forget to update before starting the next round (but not during this round, for the games still in progress).

[Almskaar]

A reminder as the round ends tomorrow: updates for FWWC were released last week. Don't forget to update before starting the next round (but not during this round, for the games still in progress).

I'd like to upgrade my version using the patch rather than uninstalling the old and then installing the new. Can someone direct me to something that explains how to do that?

[Mr Grumpy]

Here is a link to the WDS page that has the PzC patch's/updates on, you download the update for the appropriate title and then unzip it to that title folder, it will ask if you ant to overwrite the existing files and you click "yes to all"  


https://wargameds.com/pages/updates-panzer-campaigns