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HPS PzC II
10-26-2014, 05:58 AM,
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RE: HPS PzC II
As said sure it would be better to have some more values but a lot can be maid out of those that we have.
Again I point to the FWW series were values are sometimes very different depending on the scenario played due to the fact that various factors are simulated, for example early and late French infantry, from the notes of that game:
"The French infantry in the early order of battle are blessed with the highest
assault rating of all infantry, but are cursed with having the lowest defense rating. This is
formulated from several conditions, but the largest factors have to do with the "cult of the
offensive" doctrine of the early period of 1914."

and
"In the late order of battle, the French had abandoned the flawed "cult of the
offensive" doctrine, and this is reflected in the game by French infantry assault and
defense values fluctuating back to a more standard level in comparison to the other
belligerents, thus making French infantry less effective in assaults but more effective in
the defense. "



Well stockpiling isn't an "automatic" thing just because there is a depot, there could be all kind of crap in that depot. And so according to the rules even when sitting on top of such a unit you still have to pass a test to get supply, that is exactly what can happen in a supply chain, a lot crap goes through it but just not the stuff you need. Again certainty isn't common on a battlefield.


And SP is a very different game that goes down to individual vehicles and soldiers, of course with this higher detail you would also have more values to simulate certain aspect on this detail level. SP is I think 2-3 minutes every turn while PC is 2 hours and at night even more, hexes are 50 meters vs. 1 kilometer, etc.. And btw recovery is also not predictable in PC, all the circumstances around it are impacting if a unit recovers or not, in SP I usually rally my ass off as long as the officer still has some of his "Rally" value left.


And for the Nap title, here even more randomness isn't bad as it could very well simulate all the "famous" or "weird" incidents on the battlefield, what you want is to make sure a unit with a moral of X is predictable to hold out against Y, gee most of the time the commander didn't even know how reliable a unit was until it was in combat and showed that it either held the ground or ran away.
Looking at that you can be glad the the Moral values of your own units aren't under fog-of-war until the first combat.

Don't get me wrong, I understand your position but I still remember my first steps in this engine in the early 2000's and there I didn't get hooked by it too as I also saw many flaws here and there, and now besides that fact that the engine itself evolved I'm also in a better position to wrap my head around the engine with the long experience in wargaming I had collected.
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HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 10-05-2014, 01:57 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by 76mm - 10-07-2014, 05:53 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by vsadek - 10-07-2014, 06:48 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 10-10-2014, 08:51 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by 76mm - 10-10-2014, 03:08 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by PzKw43 - 10-12-2014, 02:46 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 10-12-2014, 03:20 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 10-12-2014, 06:51 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 10-12-2014, 01:29 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 10-17-2014, 05:09 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by tbridges - 10-17-2014, 09:17 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 10-18-2014, 02:45 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by 76mm - 10-12-2014, 03:09 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 10-13-2014, 09:58 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 10-17-2014, 10:24 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by BigDuke66 - 10-17-2014, 12:55 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 10-24-2014, 04:59 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by BigDuke66 - 10-24-2014, 01:47 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Xaver - 10-24-2014, 05:59 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by BigDuke66 - 10-25-2014, 02:00 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Xaver - 10-26-2014, 12:23 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by BigDuke66 - 10-26-2014, 05:58 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 10-27-2014, 12:28 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by BigDuke66 - 10-29-2014, 05:57 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 11-01-2014, 09:16 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 11-02-2014, 05:17 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Fhil - 11-02-2014, 09:05 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 11-03-2014, 12:43 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 11-03-2014, 04:09 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 11-03-2014, 04:48 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 11-03-2014, 05:15 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by BigDuke66 - 11-03-2014, 07:54 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 11-03-2014, 10:40 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 11-06-2014, 02:52 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 11-06-2014, 11:45 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 11-07-2014, 02:26 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 11-29-2014, 02:14 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-06-2014, 01:50 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Buccaneer - 12-07-2014, 02:13 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-08-2014, 10:31 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 12-08-2014, 01:12 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by BigDuke66 - 12-09-2014, 01:22 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Buccaneer - 12-09-2014, 12:04 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-12-2014, 10:23 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Buccaneer - 12-13-2014, 12:58 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by BigDuke66 - 12-13-2014, 12:50 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-13-2014, 08:37 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 12-14-2014, 02:51 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 12-14-2014, 08:08 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 12-14-2014, 09:57 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-14-2014, 06:05 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Buccaneer - 12-15-2014, 01:41 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-15-2014, 03:02 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 12-15-2014, 07:41 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-17-2014, 01:14 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 12-17-2014, 03:04 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-18-2014, 01:13 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by BigDuke66 - 12-18-2014, 02:38 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-18-2014, 05:03 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-22-2014, 04:31 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-22-2014, 05:55 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 12-22-2014, 11:02 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-22-2014, 02:35 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-27-2014, 01:55 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 12-27-2014, 06:40 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 12-27-2014, 10:40 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Xaver - 12-29-2014, 01:38 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 01-02-2015, 12:54 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Fonebone - 01-02-2015, 03:19 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 01-03-2015, 12:47 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 01-03-2015, 07:26 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 01-04-2015, 03:34 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Dog Soldier - 01-04-2015, 04:12 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 01-04-2015, 09:09 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Aolain - 01-04-2015, 10:23 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 01-05-2015, 04:43 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 01-04-2015, 02:42 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Xaver - 01-04-2015, 07:30 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Buccaneer - 01-05-2015, 07:22 AM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 01-06-2015, 12:39 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by USS Wyoming - 01-06-2015, 03:08 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Xaver - 01-06-2015, 10:41 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by dgk196 - 01-12-2015, 03:29 PM
RE: HPS PzC II - by Don Czirr - 02-12-2015, 03:19 AM

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