Moscow '42 Team Game

[Ricky B]

The default M'42 rules look fine to me. Besides, they were playtested that way.

What is the argument against delayed disrupion reporting, counterbattery fire and indirect fires by the map?Alternative solutions add a slightly higher level of randomization which simulates the extreme nature of the theater ad conditions instead of rounding everything up and evening up - anything goes and can hapen.

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Sorry I overlooked Ricky B's eply - did anybody notice that the Kharkov '42 was a disaster for the Soviets historically? Have we got anything aganst the game simulatng the historic setup?

Delayed disrupt and counterbattery are ok by me. I avoid indirect fire by map as I have seen players use it in ahistorical ways but the overall impact is low.

But the alt fire will probably make the battle unwinnable for the Soviets. I like the rules myself but the scenario, PDT and oob must be setup for it to keep things historical. This is a game we are playing not a simulation but these alt rules will negatively impact both. Anyway my experience in team games is if a team finds it has no chance to win even if the losses are historical, the players don't have fun and play very slow or quit.

Fhil covered K'42 well. For M42 start the scenario with the alt fire rules and just fire at each other. I tried it along with moving 2 Soviet stacks. Losses after 1 turn were 498 Soviets to 46 German and that was with minimal combat. 1 German arty shot killed 68 Soviets for example and 4-5 units disrupted in total. It was mass slaughter and the battle would be over soon I think.