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Several Moscow 42 Questions
11-17-2012, 03:56 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-17-2012, 03:58 AM by ComradeP.)
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RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions
I'm getting more worried about German losses and their chance to recover from them the more I play the game.

The problem I see is for the following situation:

-The Soviets move a stack next to your unit.
1)You can decide to stand and resist the assault, which will generally result in 30-50 losses from the assault alone, excluding artillery fire.
2) You move 1 hex back, you avoid the assault but do take artillery/air strike losses, usually 5-10 or so per turn (sometimes more but 5-10 is a reasonable average to account for Soviet artillery moving up or being unavailable) when the Soviets spot you again.
-The situation continues for several turns. As you can generally move back only 1 or 2 hexes, you're always in (vision) range of the nearest Soviet unit. If you take 30-50 losses per turn, your battalion dies in 1-2 days. If you retreat, and take average losses of ~5-10 men per turn, it dies in 4-10 days or so.

The main problem is not having any time to recover/stop. If a unit replaces the battalion you're concentrating on in the line, the situation just starts over and the battalion that was replaced will still have to retreat with the rest of the line and won't have a chance of taking replacements unless it stops for a turn outside of the range of the enemy. The German replacement rate is such that even an A quality unit isn't likely to attract more than 7-9 replacements per turn, or about 1 good artillery barrage. As you can only replace losses through the replacement % mechanic when you haven't moved and haven't been attacked, all it takes is for some Soviet unit to either assault or take some potshots at you during the night to make sure you can't take replacements.

The low protection % offered by the terrain, the slow movement rate of units in most terrain types, the low per turn replacement rate and the lack of reserves that can realistically hold the Soviets back for a while makes it possible for German units to get into a downward spiral many of them can't seem to recover from.

If I'm missing something, do tell, because the situation of the German player looks quite grim from the perspective of sustainability.
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Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-09-2012, 03:13 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-09-2012, 10:06 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-10-2012, 12:24 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-10-2012, 12:42 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liebchen - 11-10-2012, 01:34 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-10-2012, 01:47 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-10-2012, 01:24 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-10-2012, 05:01 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Mr Grumpy - 11-10-2012, 05:24 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-10-2012, 02:52 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-10-2012, 04:01 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-10-2012, 04:31 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liebchen - 11-10-2012, 05:10 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by -72- - 11-10-2012, 07:30 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Mr Grumpy - 11-11-2012, 01:12 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by raizer - 11-11-2012, 01:22 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-12-2012, 01:58 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Mr Grumpy - 11-12-2012, 03:19 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liebchen - 11-12-2012, 06:38 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-12-2012, 03:51 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Ricky B - 11-12-2012, 04:27 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Mr Grumpy - 11-12-2012, 05:05 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-12-2012, 05:27 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Mr Grumpy - 11-12-2012, 06:00 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-12-2012, 10:51 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liebchen - 11-13-2012, 02:57 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-13-2012, 01:19 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by raizer - 11-13-2012, 03:24 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-13-2012, 04:08 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by raizer - 11-13-2012, 08:33 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Ricky B - 11-13-2012, 10:18 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liebchen - 11-13-2012, 01:02 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-15-2012, 02:35 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-15-2012, 04:30 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-15-2012, 06:54 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-15-2012, 07:06 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-15-2012, 07:54 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-16-2012, 05:09 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-15-2012, 07:17 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by raizer - 11-16-2012, 12:42 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by raizer - 11-16-2012, 05:37 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by raizer - 11-16-2012, 08:30 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-16-2012, 01:08 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liebchen - 11-16-2012, 01:24 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-16-2012, 02:48 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-16-2012, 07:18 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-16-2012, 09:16 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-16-2012, 09:40 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-16-2012, 09:55 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liebchen - 11-17-2012, 01:40 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-17-2012, 05:44 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liebchen - 11-17-2012, 05:56 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-17-2012, 06:21 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-17-2012, 01:21 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-17-2012, 01:26 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-17-2012, 03:56 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-17-2012, 10:20 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-17-2012, 04:45 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by raizer - 11-17-2012, 05:00 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-17-2012, 06:09 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Ricky B - 11-17-2012, 01:43 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-17-2012, 05:33 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Al - 11-17-2012, 05:38 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liquid_Sky - 11-17-2012, 03:45 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liebchen - 11-17-2012, 05:16 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-17-2012, 06:20 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-17-2012, 08:05 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-18-2012, 08:57 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-18-2012, 03:59 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-19-2012, 12:42 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-18-2012, 09:04 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-20-2012, 05:25 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liquid_Sky - 11-20-2012, 08:08 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-21-2012, 07:25 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-22-2012, 01:25 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-22-2012, 01:50 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-22-2012, 02:39 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-22-2012, 07:00 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by bdtj1815 - 11-28-2012, 12:15 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 11-22-2012, 06:20 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-26-2012, 05:07 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-28-2012, 12:59 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by bdtj1815 - 11-28-2012, 01:56 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-28-2012, 03:23 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by bdtj1815 - 11-28-2012, 04:24 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-28-2012, 04:38 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by raizer - 11-28-2012, 04:42 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-28-2012, 05:44 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liquid_Sky - 11-28-2012, 12:59 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-28-2012, 04:11 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-28-2012, 08:07 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-28-2012, 08:22 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-29-2012, 12:52 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 11-29-2012, 04:19 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 11-29-2012, 10:29 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by bdtj1815 - 12-01-2012, 01:02 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-01-2012, 04:58 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by bdtj1815 - 12-01-2012, 08:07 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-01-2012, 12:06 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by bdtj1815 - 12-01-2012, 07:36 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-01-2012, 08:47 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 12-01-2012, 10:21 PM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-02-2012, 12:14 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by raizer - 12-02-2012, 05:13 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-02-2012, 06:01 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Liebchen - 12-02-2012, 09:06 AM
RE: Couple of Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 12-02-2012, 09:28 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-02-2012, 02:12 PM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Marquo - 12-04-2012, 08:23 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 12-04-2012, 09:22 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-08-2012, 03:30 PM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 12-08-2012, 04:00 PM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-10-2012, 05:04 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Dog Soldier - 12-11-2012, 03:43 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-11-2012, 04:46 PM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Mr Grumpy - 12-10-2012, 05:31 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by raizer - 12-10-2012, 06:33 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Ricky B - 12-10-2012, 06:36 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-10-2012, 12:56 PM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-10-2012, 10:23 PM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 12-10-2012, 11:23 PM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-10-2012, 11:57 PM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 12-11-2012, 12:35 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-11-2012, 12:46 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 12-12-2012, 10:00 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 12-12-2012, 07:42 PM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 12-13-2012, 01:15 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 12-13-2012, 06:16 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 12-13-2012, 08:33 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 12-19-2012, 07:48 PM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Liquid_Sky - 12-20-2012, 05:54 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-20-2012, 02:47 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by JDR Dragoon - 12-20-2012, 03:20 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by 76mm - 12-20-2012, 06:00 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 12-20-2012, 05:02 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by Strela - 12-20-2012, 08:40 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 12-20-2012, 06:53 AM
RE: Several Moscow 42 Questions - by ComradeP - 12-20-2012, 10:22 AM

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