Great Commanders

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

disingenuous who ME!!?? Perish the thought :whis:

Well most of the Saxon inhabitants of England had no connection with Saxony either, still didn’t alter the fact that they were Saxon. decidedly French in word and deed, maybe by way of counter argument could I suggest that, for e.g. Scots, Welsh & Irish have been living in England for centuries, it doesn't alter their genetic heritage, or in most cases their allegiance i.e. they still regard themselves as of the Celtic nations, and William was at great pains to emphasise his decent from Rollo, but thats really a side issue.

There are those who would argue that putting the Fleur de Lis in the English Coat of Arms is a pearl beyond price. There because it's where they belong Paul, as I understand it, to de-legitimise (if there is such a word?) the French had to resurrect & implement a long out of use bit of law of the Salian Franks i.e. that the throne could only go through the male line, not sure but I think the French crown was actually through the line of Ripuarian Franks who came to dominate the Frankish peoples, which if true would make the rule change somewhat akin to say the laws relating to the election of the US president suddenly reverting to Native American rules!

(although they left out the cash part of cash and carry). Nice one :thumbs_up:

Why else would the Danes have used you like an Ikea Store for a few 100 years?. However I would question that they had any interest in A-S culture unless it had gold involved.

And the Normans had a few skills to add to the mix: Domesday, creation of the office of the Exchequer, castle designs of unparalleled strength, not to mention the previously alluded to fact that he took this conquered nation and made it a model of what a Fuedal State should be...so much so, he ruled from Normandy from about 1070 (give or take) on, spending most of his time in France.

Mmmm :chin:, as the above was a counter proposal from a discussion about, William was great for no other reason than he put a little continental civilization into that daub and waddle mud hole of an island I can only conclude that our definitions re culture are somewhat ... err, “different?” :conf:; mine roughly revolves around things like literature, art, poetry, music etc. not, tax raising for fighting military campaigns in foreign lands and building castles (to keep a once Free (ish) people subjecated), done via the Doomsday book & the Exchequer.

You have made mention that the Feudal system imposed on England was well thought of in Europe, not sure where this comes from Paul (gotta a source/quote?), but frankly, piss on European opinion . As I have suggested previously, the Feudal system of the Normans made slaves of once Free men, those freedoms took centuries to regain (and as to what the Normans did for what would now be called 'Womans rights', well compare to A-S law it knocked them back to the Stone age!) it was in essence little more than slavery for Military rather than economic benefit.

he ruled from Normandy from about 1070 (give or take) on, spending most of his time in France. This if I remember correctly was through necessity as he was at war with both his own sons/kin and every neighbour within striking distance!

Y'all must have thought fairly highly of him too, at least at the time Hmm? Think overall we’ll give a :thumbs_down: to that. :)

All the Best
Peter