Binocular Use in ME

[Scud]

I can't find it discussed anywhere, but is anyone else bothered by the inability to see what the enemy's line of sight is using the binocular button in ME? I think I understand the reasoning behind it, but I'm finding it's one of those reality vs. enjoyment things. I play WF/EF mostly, so in going back and forth between the games it's becoming a standout annoyance for me. Seeing that CS will be going in the same direction, I thought I'd bring it up. Speak now or forever hold your peace, right? 

Dave

[Crossroads]

I can't find it discussed anywhere, but is anyone else bothered by the inability to see what the enemy's line of sight is using the binocular button in ME? I think I understand the reasoning behind it, but I'm finding it's one of those reality vs. enjoyment things. I play WF/EF mostly, so in going back and forth between the games it's becoming a standout annoyance for me. Seeing that CS will be going in the same direction, I thought I'd bring it up. Speak now or forever hold your peace, right? 

Dave

Extreme Fog of War, only. But yes, that's the set up. 

I personally love it (obviously), makes recce so much more important imho.

[fritzfarlig]

and more realistic

[Scud]

and more realistic

Is it, though? If I get out my map and I see that around this hill I'm behind, a mile away there's a 6000 foot mountain and all the rest of the terrain is flat, can't I deduce that from the top of the mountain they can see me when I round the bend? Being as it's just a game, wouldn't it be a lot easier if I could just click the binocular button rather than rely on the topography class I never took in college?

Dave

[Jason Petho]

and more realistic

Is it, though? If I get out my map and I see that around this hill I'm behind, a mile away there's a 6000 foot mountain and all the rest of the terrain is flat, can't I deduce that from the top of the mountain they can see me when I round the bend? Being as it's just a game, wouldn't it be a lot easier if I could just click the binocular button rather than rely on the topography class I never took in college?

Dave

Ahh, but that nails it right there. "can't I deduce"...  yes, you can mentally based on your experience with reading the map and capabilities. But can you go there in advance and confirm 100% what you deduced you will see?  Not until you actually get there.

So yes, it is more realistic indeed.

[Big Ivan]

and more realistic

Is it, though? If I get out my map and I see that around this hill I'm behind, a mile away there's a 6000 foot mountain and all the rest of the terrain is flat, can't I deduce that from the top of the mountain they can see me when I round the bend? Being as it's just a game, wouldn't it be a lot easier if I could just click the binocular button rather than rely on the topography class I never took in college?

Dave

Dave, you bring up another interesting point indirectly. Say your at ground level and can see 10 hexes max due to intermittent terrain. Visibility is set at 12 hexes for the scenario. Now wouldn't it be true that if you were 2-3 elevations higher above the intermittent terrain (ground level) you would be able to see farther? Say 14-16 hexes? I would think so but the visibility being set at 12 hexes prevents that. So in essence there is no advantage in getting on high ground other than rising above the ground clutter.

[jonnymacbrown]

and more realistic

Is it, though? If I get out my map and I see that around this hill I'm behind, a mile away there's a 6000 foot mountain and all the rest of the terrain is flat, can't I deduce that from the top of the mountain they can see me when I round the bend? Being as it's just a game, wouldn't it be a lot easier if I could just click the binocular button rather than rely on the topography class I never took in college?

Dave

Well, gee wizz! Just shows ta' go ya' you shouldn'ta' been goofing off so much in college; drinking, dueling and the like!

[Crossroads]

Again, it was designed as an Extreme Fog of War thing. No eyes on the ground - no LOS info available. It adds an element of uncertainty, and intentionally so.

[Scud]

Well, gee wizz! Just shows ta' go ya' you shouldn'ta' been goofing off so much in college; drinking, dueling and the like!

You just guessed my major!!